I fkn jammed out to punk rock the moment sperm and egg touched.
That’s honestly hilarious though. Your personality is something that develops majorly over time. I’m not the same I was five years ago let alone when I was an none sentient zygote with no brain let alone brain waves
shit, doesn’t that mean that by his logic, I would’ve been pro choice at the moment of conception?
seriously though, as a sociology major this makes me cringe so hard.
you majored at a LIBERAL BIASED school BENT ON A CULTURE OF DEATH teaching classes of DEATH. Obviously cultureshift knows better
Also eye and hair color wut. How many of you have the same hair and eye color you did when you were born? How many had the same they had as children? I sure as shit don’t.
In fact, we’re learned that a lot of our DNA can be changed through outside factors. Everything from what your mother eats while pregnant to the amount of pollutants in the air during your early childhood to the amount of STRESS you endure growing up can change your DNA.
But again, Lord Cultureshift is never wrong :> Never. Ever.
If I attempted to point out the recurring ignorance displayed by the ‘pro-choice’ community related to human embryology and basic genetic science, I would need a full time support staff. But this particular example is so egregious that I will take the time to respond.
If you don’t think your personality is hereditary, please explain why there are so many different ‘personalities’ displayed by a litter of puppies. Different puppies within the same litter can display huge variances in their emotional responses to external stimuli. If this obvious common sense example is not enough for you, consider this from the Mayo Clinic…
Mayo Clinic Guide to a Healthy Pregnancy. By the Mayo Clinic. Collins, 2004. Page 45 (section on fertilization): “This genetic material will determine your baby’s sex, eye color, hair color, body size, facial features and – at least to some extent – intelligence and personality. … Your baby’s sex is determined at the moment he or she is conceived.”
As noted by one of the leading medical practice research groups in the world, not only is personality a characteristic determined at the instant of fertilization, so is hair and eye color. Different eye colors are produced because of the different amounts and patterns of pigment in the iris. The amount of pigment and the pattern of the pigment is determined by a person’s genetic makeup. The DNA received from one’s parents determines what color eyes they will have. A child’s irises may gain more pigment in the months after their birth, but they won’t get “lighter” or more blue. Green, hazel, and brown eyes actually have more pigment than grey or blue eyes, even if they appear lighter in color. Hair color also changes over time due to the amount of pigmentation. What is clear is that the color of the pigmentation itself is determined by genetics and your genes are locked in at the instant of fertilization. Your DNA does NOT CHANGE over time. That’s why DNA left at a crime scene can definitively lead to your conviction or be used to determine a child’s paternity with almost absolute certainty.
If you are going to fight to kill preborn human beings, at least be educated about who and what you are killing.
See this post for more ‘pro-choice’ ignorance and the education I generously provided them.
Stand True. Stand for Life.
Oh look, you’re wrong about a thing or two. Allow me to help! :>
While I personally know NOTHING about personality in relation to DNA because I lack the formal education to know (and look, I will admit that unlike you), I do know much about the physical attributes. Maybe a person with a psych background like culture-of-choice would be able to back up (or not) the source you cited that personality “AT LEAST TO SOME EXTENT” is formulated at conception?
I like how it says “TO SOME EXTENT” and you go and say “THIS IS DETERMINED AT THE INSTANT OF FERTILIZATION” as if we can’t read or something.
Also, I’m going to take a wild guess and assume the psychology of dogs and the psychology of human beings are wildly different. But I don’t know that and I’ll admit to it.
Anyway. Allow me to educate you.
While certain parts of your DNA never do change (like mitochondrial DNA) , others do and ARE susceptible to outside factors.
Of your dna did not change over time you wouldn’t age. Please google a thing called “DNA Damage Theory of Aging”.
There is also a thing called Epigenetics, which is the study of how outside factors can influence and change your genetic code.
Since you are tunnel-visioned toward seeing only FETUS FETUS FETUS, here’s a thing or two you can read to understand this. These examples are especially hilarious because people like you seem to think feti incubate in a vacuum without outside influence:
So no, your genes are not “locked in” at the moment of fertilization. If they were, you could drink and smoke and dope to your heart’s content while pregnant without having to worry about having an unhealthy baby. You could eat nothing but crap without having to worry about having a future diabetic. You could dye your hair and work in a toxic environment because fuck it!
It’s just like NOW at this VERY MOMENT the types of food you eat can “turn off” and “turn on” cancer cells.
If dna didn’t change, cancer wouldn’t be a thing.
But this all just BEGS the question: Cultureshift now that you’re educated about epigenetics is your dream of a police state for people who can get pregnant even more harsh? Are pregnant people/people who COULD become pregnant forbidden from eating certain foods/working in environments that are toxic/using certain medications because BAYBBEZ?
I mean, your answer is probably an enthusiastic “YES”. Because to you the jury is still out as to if people who can get pregnant are actually people with the same rights as feti…
Not that you’re going to actually answer this; Just like you don’t actually answer any question anyone throws at you.And just like you don’t concede to being wrong…
as you were about this…
…and the function of the uterus
…and your statement saying cats have four digits
…and your statement saying that people NEVER regret having given birth
…and your statement saying that ALL PEOPLE feel guilt over their abortions
and a whole bunch of others I’m probably forgetting.
Sit the fuck down.
Your understanding of science is as flawed as your reading comprehension. Your DNA is most definitely LOCKED IN at the moment of fertilization. I never said it couldn’t be damaged by external forces. Clearly, exposure to nuclear radiation can damage DNA. The sources you provided state that DNA can be damaged, not that it magically changes into the genetic code for another human being altering eye and hair color…
Researchers in Iceland and the U.S. showed that over a period of 10-16 years, some people’s DNA changed as much as 20%. These differences aren’t in the famous A, T, C, and G’s of DNA though. Instead, they are changes in something called DNA methylation. Methylation can affect how genes are used. So a change in methylation might cause a change in how someone’s genes are used.
Binge drinking can cause permanent genetic damage especially to the unborn children of women in the earliest stage of pregnancy, according to a study which shows for the first time how alcohol destroys DNA.
Cancer epigenetics is the study of epigenetic modifications to the genome of cancer cells that do not involve a change in the nucleotide sequence. Epigenetic alterations are as important as genetic mutations in a cell’s transformation to cancer. [the cancerous cell’s DNA changes, not the human being affected by the cancer]
I’m surprised you didn’t mention monozygotic twins and the epigenetic variances in their gene expressions over time. Probably because even this does not change the underlying sequence of each twin’s genes. And in case you were unaware, monozygotic twins have unique fingerprints due to differences in environmental factors within the amniotic sacs affecting phenotype, but NOT THEIR DNA SEQUENCE.
As you can see, a persons’s DNA resulting from the fusion of their mother’s and father’s haploid gametes remains intact unless they are damaged. My original point was that traits such as hair and eye color are determined at the instant these gametes fuse and that changes in the colors of these traits are the result of pigment change over time, not changes to DNA sequence. This remains true unless you actually think a baby’s hair and eye color change due to DNA damage resulting in alterations to their gene expressions (hint: they don’t).
Although this topic is extremely interesting, whether one’s DNA sequence changes or not is irrelevant to their human Right to Life. You know, that right you so desperately want the unborn members of our human family to continue to be denied so that you and those like you can freely slaughter them.
Finally, I don’t want unborn children to have more rights than their mothers. I want them to have rights EQUAL to their mothers. This includes the Right to Life.
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